ervaring?

Elektronik_dynamite

Badass junkie
heeft iemand ervaring met de volgende smart producten.

colues blumei/pumila
gifsla > lactuca virosa
ginko biloba
giseng panax
Guarana > paullinia cupana
kava > piper methysicum
mandragora officinarum
passiebloem > passiflora incarnata
psilo > psilocybe semilanceate

heb namelijk de hele middag in de bieb gezeten er onderzoek naar te doen maar heb geen ervaringen kunnen vinden.
en ben er toch redelijk nieuwsgierig naar.
 

Trip Unit

Bewuste gebruiker
Ik heb deze 2 ooit eens gedaan.

giseng panax
Guarana > paullinia cupana

Niet echt heel bijzonder....
 

matthijs

Badass junkie
Overschat die dingen niet hoor...Ik heb een tijdje geleden kanna in huis gehaald wat een coke-achtig effect zou hebben...Het is fokking ranzig en heeft uberhaupt geen effect, laat staan een coke-achtig effect :P
 

Bal0n

Badass junkie
Passiflore is een milde mao-remmer, daar zou ik sowieso niet te veel van verwachten. En Psilocybine semilanceata is een vrij potente paddo :).

Rest heb ik geen ervaring mee.
 

Elektronik_dynamite

Badass junkie
bedankt voor de info allemaal :)
ik weet nu wat ik er van kan en niet kan verwachten
ik zal het zoals mathijs zei zeker niet overschatten, was gewoon benieuwd aangezien ik in de bieb een boek over smart drugs heb gelezen en deze middelen er bovenuit staken met hun effecten en het is ook zo dat het mij niet alleen om de effecten zoals hallucinaties, peppend etc etc gaat
maar er zitten ook een paar tussen die goed zijn bij slapeloosheid.
dus vandaar :)
 

Sweet_Shadow

Badass junkie
Tripreporter
Ik denk dat je Erowid wel gecheckt hebt maar alsnog 2 ervaringen met Mandragora:

Recently i had a day off from work and decided to spend it experimenting with mandrake root. Mandrake contains scopalamine, which is (along with atropine) also found in thorn apple/belladonna. both were commonly used in 'witches potions' to induce out of body experiences, so my plan was to try to leave my body. these drugs are known to cause some unpleasant (but, i thought, hallucinogenic) effects.

well, because a housemate had tried mandrake last year at a certain dosage with no effects noticable enough to count, i decided to make a much stronger tea with it. it is mind-bogglingly bitter, and because i mixed moleasses with it for sweetness, the tastes are associated for me and i can't stand even the smell of molasses anymore. i made about 1.5-2 pts of tea with around 6 tablespoons of mandrake. drank a bunch, nothing. drank another glass. felt some vague feelings, thought 'maybe it's coming on' and lay down to focus on it. it faded in around ten minutes so i drank more. i played tag like this with vague effects for a while, taking huge gulps in an attempt to get strong effects from it. eventually i quit, and went out for dinner. i felt no effects.

as soon as i ate a medium-sized meal, my stomach began to hurt. i lay in bed for a while, feeling like i had indigestion. well, that feeling turned into the most horrific drug experience i can even imagine having. it did not involve any alteration of consciousness except that caused by the waves of cold chills, the protracted vomiting fits which dredged up stuff i'd eaten 8 or more hours earlier, and the diaherria which shortly consisted solely of yellowish water. for close to 10 hours all i could do was lay shivering under tons o' quilts, crawl to the bathroom to puke up clots of fairly-well-digested food and quarts of water i'd been drinking to keep hydrated, and shit water. i almost had someone take me to the hospital, even knowing how barbaric they are there about drugs (they tried to help a friend who was freaking out on mushrooms and made the mistake of going there by interrogating her for almost an hour about where she got the shrooms)

eventually my girlfriend found a reference to mandrake which said it could be used as an emetic, a very powerful emetic, and not to use it since other less dangerous herbs give the same effects. they said, if you were driven for some reason to use it, to make a tea approx. 1/6 the strength of the one i'd made, and sip a tablespoon an hour for four hours. holy shit i drank about two pints of the shit!

moral of the story: stick to legit, illegal drugs.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2015

The taste: absolutely disgusting. Trust your intuition regarding dose - pour a load into a saucepan, add water, boil & simmer for 20 minutes, strain, add a generous amount of honey and have a piece of fruit ready for afterwards. Be prepared to go for a pretty violent shit at some point. You need to have a healthy constitution before taking this. Senses are heightened, there's are feeling of paranoia, edginess, nervousness, urgency too, like Something's about to happen. I had it one Saturday night. It kicks in suddenly, say 3 hours later. I had the sudden urge to go and see the late show of Sleepy Hollow - before wandering around my (mostly deserted) halls of residence feeling like Jack Nicholson in The Shining. But........ next morning, a most pleasant hangover feeling, all nice and relaxing and a feeling that almost anything is possible.

However, a friend had some and all she got was the trots!!!!

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=2014

Hier ook nog 2 Lactuca virosa ervaringen:

Having read a journal (diary) from the early 70's with several passages about Wild Lettuce Opium, I decided to give it a try. (Most of the knowledge I give here regarding preperation and method of use came from an anonymous persons diary that ended up in a mixed box of books at a local junk shop).

Preperation: I purchased 30 grams (a tiny bit over an ounce) of dried wild lettuce from a local herb/occult store. This I put in a medium sized glass jar to which I then added 1.5 bottles of 91% iso alcohol. I shook it well and then set it in a dark place for 24 hours (coming back and shaking it a couple of times during the wait). I then filtered this mixture (which was quite black by this time) through a wire mesh strainer into a large glass pan (apparently it is important not to use a metal pan). I then picked up handfulls of the soaking wet lettuce and squeezed it as hard as I could to wring out all the liquid.

The pan was then set in a well ventilated room with a fan blowing on it and the lettuce went back into the jar with more alchohol and the process was repeated two more times, adding the resulting liquid to the same pan as the first. After three times of doing a alchohol extraction to get all fat soluable chemicals out, I then did one with water. (same thing, but using water instead of alcohol.) For those of you keeping track of the math, this entire process should took about 4 days.

After the last extraction, the pan was left in front of the fan for 2 days (until the liquid had evaporated). (Note: apparently the active chemicals break down under heat so thats why it needs this 'cold extraction' method)
What was left was 6 grams of a dark greenish/brown (almost black) tar-like substance. Thats the 'lettuce opium'.

Useage notes: I use a 'opium pipe' as these are designed for stuff like this, although I assume you could use a normal pot-type bowl and just smear the piece of opium to a inside side of the bowl (use tweezers...its messy). Apparently the chemicals dont deal well with heat so you don't want to actually draw the flame down onto the tar itself, just sorta near it...takes a little practice. The stuff will start bubbling when you are doing it right.

My first experiance was doing after having a few beers (had a very lite buzz). Smoked a peice about the size of a pea in a opium pipe. Then I laid back...apparently (according to friends) I was there staring at the ceiling for about 15 minutes although I thought it was only a few seconds. When I tried to get up everything swam and my head was spinning...took a while to orient myself...felt INCREDIBLY drunk. Felt happy, content, serene. This lasted for about an hour at which time I just passed out.(not sure if because of the lettuce opium or just plain tired)

Second experience:
I had been wondering if the first time had been so strong because of the alcohol in my system so this time I decided to try it stone cold sober. Laying in a hot bath I smoked a glob of tar about the size of a pea. Then I laid back and waited (I had made sure there was a clock in plain view just in case I 'lost track of time' again). After a few minutes I still felt nothing special so I did another glob of about the same size. Another few minutes and I still felt nothing. Deciding that it was the alcohol that made it so strong before I decided it was time for me to get our of the tub. I pulled the plug and stood up.....and almost fell right back down again. Everything was spinning and I couldn't feel my body (I had just gotten out of a very hot bath and into rather cold air...I knew I should be cold and needing a robe but I didnt feel a thing...just pleastly numb.) I had just managed to make it to my bedroom when I had to suddenly stumble back to the bathroom for about a minute of dry-heaves. Once these had subsided I made it back to my bed and laid down.

Everything felt soooo nice... I thought I'll just lay here a bit and let the worst of it wear off before I try moving around anymore...I closed my eyes for a second (seemed like practically a blink) and then I glanced at the clock...I was shocked to find that I had passed out for almost two hours!

In conclusion...if prepared right and done correctly this stuff certainly works but I'm going to have to experiment around a bit to find the perfect dosage for me. ( I am definatly doing this stuff again!)

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=18713

I saw this online as a 'legal marijuana' or 'herbal hydro buds.' This stuff is a joke. I didn't get ANY high at all. I noticed the only high I got was just from inhaling smoke and not oxygen. There is no ingredient in wild lettuce that makes me 'high.' If I smoke about 5 or 6 grams I eventually get a buzz but no relaxation or pleasing body feelings like I get with marijuana. It does not alter my mood or anything. Usually if I smoke marijuana when I am depressed it instantly changes my mood.

I bought this thinking it would be a good natural sleep aid or something to help me relax. It didn't do either of those. Actually gave me a headache (which marijuana instantly takes away). I don't think I will buy this stuff again. It seems more like a good substitute for tobacco rather than marijuana.

Another reason why I was forced into buying this to test it out was because of the high price of marijuana here in Los Angeles. I am looking at 20 dollars per gram. I can get a half ounce of wild lettuce for 30 dollars. Either way opium lettuce or wild lettuce is not worth the money. I am better off taking sleeping pills or something if I can't get marijuana at a reasonable price.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16585

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